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  • Which of these two abilities are stronger?

    You can discuss, compare, or argue these abilities in the comments

    What do you think? Also, you can vote below.

    Which of these 2 abilities you want to have?
     
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    The poll was created at 11:05 on February 2, 2017, and so far 190 people voted.
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    • Psionics are better because they don't depend of external energy contrary magic users and they can be limited to very specific domain even if psionics can be limited to a domain too, I think they can grow/access to a lot of skills(example: empathy/telepathy or telekinesis are all common/umbrella powers). For a magic user, using Telepathy or Telekinesis is possible but take more times and actions to achieve the same effects as Pisonics. I see this like that: Psionics: 1 action=>Telepathy or Telekinesis//Magic: 2/3 actions(it depends of the type of magic and how it works in a specific universe, for example: it can be different from US comics and Japan mangas) for the same result as example here: use of a spell which manipulate magic force to give you access to TP so 3 actions!

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    • Fridric wrote:
      Psionics are better because they don't depend of external energy contrary magic users and they can be limited to very specific domain even if psionics can be limited to a domain too, I think they can grow/access to a lot of skills(example: empathy/telepathy or telekinesis are all common/umbrella powers). For a magic user, using Telepathy or Telekinesis is possible but take more times and actions to achieve the same effects as Pisonics. I see this like that: Psionics: 1 action=>Telepathy or Telekinesis//Magic: 2/3 actions(it depends of the type of magic and how it works in a specific universe, for example: it can be different from US comics and Japan mangas) for the same result as example here: use of a spell which manipulate magic force to give you access to TP so 3 actions!

      I don't understand what umbrella powers means

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    • You can access a lot of other powers: TK can give you molecular mapipulation, elemental manipulation, etc.

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    • I would argue that in terms of raw power psionics is greater because the source is your own energy, but I would say the magic has a greater versatility than psionics so in a sense that versatility would allow the user to do more than with it than psionics. 

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    • Nightwingsorcerer wrote:
      I would argue that in terms of raw power psionics is greater because the source is your own energy, but I would say the magic has a greater versatility than psionics so in a sense that versatility would allow the user to do more than with it than psionics. 

      Actually, a lot of psionic abilities are extremely versatile. Telekinesis, through some clever and slightly Squicky application to your own body, allows Teleportation, as well as a Healing Factor of sorts. An application of Command Inducement is Death Inducement, via something like "shut off all nervous system activity." Tactile Telekinesis could, depending on how it works, which can vary wildly, do things like redirect bullets or grant Super Strength.

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    • True, but a large part of Psionics is about evolution and biology, while magic is more forgiving. An average or low tier magic user could simulate most if not all of those same effects you mentioned relatively easier than your average person with psychic power.

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    • Magic allows for effects like reality warping, or imbuing items with power.

      And there are multiple forms of magic, just for a second imagine the type of magic from the skulduggery pleasant books, that's an extradimensional type of magic and it can be very strong if you take into account science when using magic.

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    • Psionics draws its power from the mind, while Magic draws its power from the supernatural. Other than that, I can't see any difference. Seriously, I challenge you all: name a single power that either Psionics or Magic can do that the other can't, besides the manipulation of their respective energies.

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    • ShadowMonarch212 wrote:
      Psionics draws its power from the mind, while Magic draws its power from the supernatural. Other than that, I can't see any difference. Seriously, I challenge you all: name a single power that either Psionics or Magic can do that the other can't, besides the manipulation of their respective energies.

      Psionics cannot do things like time manipulation or enchantment.

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    • Fantasy Connect wrote:
      ShadowMonarch212 wrote:
      Psionics draws its power from the mind, while Magic draws its power from the supernatural. Other than that, I can't see any difference. Seriously, I challenge you all: name a single power that either Psionics or Magic can do that the other can't, besides the manipulation of their respective energies.
      Psionics cannot do things like time manipulation or enchantment.

      Who says psionics can't manipulate time? The whole point of psionics is that a mind of sufficient strength can do anything. I see no reason why space-time manipulation, or even reality warping, should be outside the scope of psionics.

      Enchantment is just the manipulation of magical energy to create a certain effect - for example, Alice uses magic to turn Bob into a frog. Alice could achieve the same effect through psionics: such as by assembling a frog body from the atoms up, transferring Bob's mind into the frog, and trapping Bob's body in the astral plane for the duration of his "transformation".

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    • By enchantment I mean giving objects access to full conceptual abilities, such as god-slaying.

      Psionics are limited in that they affect only two planes of existence, the matter universe and the astral plane.

      They can achieve things similar to temporal abilities, but they cannot outright manipulate time, for example, someone could make an area of null movement, nothing inside can move at all (apart from with the rotation of earth) and nothing can leave it, nor enter it.

      It is similar but not, if you understand what I mean

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    • Fantasy Connect wrote:
      By enchantment I mean giving objects access to full conceptual abilities, such as god-slaying.

      Psionics are limited in that they affect only two planes of existence, the matter universe and the astral plane.

      They can achieve things similar to temporal abilities, but they cannot outright manipulate time, for example, someone could make an area of null movement, nothing inside can move at all (apart from with the rotation of earth) and nothing can leave it, nor enter it.

      It is similar but not, if you understand what I mean

      You are incorrect. Space-time is part of the physical world, so telekinesis can manipulate it. The only limiting factor is power. See Omnikinesis, the most advanced form of telekinesis, which includes all manipulation abilities. It also allows manipulation of both magical and psychic energy; this means the distinction between magic and psionics breaks down at the higher levels of power, as does the distinction between mind, matter, and spirit. Since all abilities are one at the point of omnipotence, we should expect to see a gradual breaking effect as we go down the power scale.

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    • I looked under applications and it makes no mention of magic manipulation...

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    • Fantasy Connect wrote:
      I looked under applications and it makes no mention of magic manipulation...

      It says "All Kinetic Abilities" and "All Manipulation Powers". That includes magic.

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    • Fridric wrote:
      Psionics are better because they don't depend of external energy contrary magic users and they can be limited to very specific domain even if psionics can be limited to a domain too, I think they can grow/access to a lot of skills(example: empathy/telepathy or telekinesis are all common/umbrella powers). For a magic user, using Telepathy or Telekinesis is possible but take more times and actions to achieve the same effects as Pisonics. I see this like that: Psionics: 1 action=>Telepathy or Telekinesis//Magic: 2/3 actions(it depends of the type of magic and how it works in a specific universe, for example: it can be different from US comics and Japan mangas) for the same result as example here: use of a spell which manipulate magic force to give you access to TP so 3 actions!

      incorrect. magic can also be derived from internal energy depending on the universe. In some universes magical power is something innate in all sapient beings. Magic and Psionics are just about exactly equal, though psionics takes a much more pseudoscientific approach to the matters than magic does.

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    • Psionic seems more convenient, and magic more powerful/polyvalent.

      They are at their best when combined, it's called Reality Warping ^ ^

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    • DYBAD wrote:
      Psionic seems more convenient, and magic more powerful/polyvalent.

      They are at their best when combined, it's called Reality Warping ^ ^

      Or Psionic Magic

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    • To me, they are completely equal. They just achieve the same feats in very different ways, and each have their own advantages and disadvantages. One isn't really stronger than the other. 😆

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    • True, Psionic Magic is thir combination, while Reality Warping is their complete fusion.

      To me, magic always seemed more polyvalent as it can do virtually anything ('cause it's magic ^ ^), and psionics more convenient since it is entirely thought-based. Though I guess if we go sufficiently spiritual about it, psionics can ultimately do the same as magic, and sufficiently advanced masters can use magic without formal restrictions (thoughts alone).

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    • DYBAD wrote:
      True, Psionic Magic is thir combination, while Reality Warping is their complete fusion.

      Magic Transcendence + Reality Magic > Reality Warping by itself

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    • I suspect that the main difference between the two is that while magic system can differ greatly from one work to another (e.g., relying on the ambient mana in the surroundings vs. relying on one's own supply of mana, activation via long chants and calculations vs. activation via hand gestures, etc.), the psionic powers tend to follow a single framework.

      If we go up the power-ladder, we eventually reach a variation of omnipotence with both paths, so that's that. However, if we compare a more common examples, then magic usually has greater versatility than its psionic counterpart, while the psionic power is more readily available to its user than its magical counterpart. For instance, a user of teleportation usually starts accidentally (at first, and then they learn to control it) teleporting as soon as they awaken their power and / or as soon as they start encountering unpleasant situations, however a user of teleportation magic is rarely able to do anything without first going through some studies and / or spell devising; however, once the user of teleportation magic gets to it, there is (or can be) a spell for virtually any teleportation effect or variation one can imagine.

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    • magic, eventually, have much more capabilities.

      eventually, everything psionics can do, magic can do as well.

      if you also consider the fact that the highest level of psionics is absolute psionics manipulation, and for magic it's almighty magic, the diference is the gap between nigh-omnipotence and omnipotence.

      the point is that while magic might take more time to learn, and might be more complicated, and with enough inttelegence, expirience and creativity, you can achive nearly godhood with psionics, magic still have far more options, and magic can come both from you and form you'r surroundings, so you are not limited in temr of energy.

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    • its pretty simple really magic loses to psionic for most of the time until magic gets to master or absolute levels in which magic wins just think of it like this magic is the tortoise and psionic are the hare. psioncs wins for most of the time and surpasses magic in every way but at some point near the end magic leaves psionic behind and wins

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    • not really.

      usually, the basic levels of magic comes with telepathy and telekinesis, usually on par with psionics user's.

      the absolute levels of each of them of course have magic in favor, but usually, magic stand with par and surpass psionics.

      At the basic level of each of them, magic hold basic psionics, and other abilities. maybe there ar esome levels in which psionics>magic, but they are rare.

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    • Count Vlad III dracula wrote:
      magic, eventually, have much more capabilities.

      eventually, everything psionics can do, magic can do as well.

      if you also consider the fact that the highest level of psionics is absolute psionics manipulation, and for magic it's almighty magic, the diference is the gap between nigh-omnipotence and omnipotence.

      the point is that while magic might take more time to learn, and might be more complicated, and with enough inttelegence, expirience and creativity, you can achive nearly godhood with psionics, magic still have far more options, and magic can come both from you and form you'r surroundings, so you are not limited in temr of energy.

      You must not have heard of Psychopotence, its even stronger then Absolute Psionic Manipulation. A user of Psychopotence would literally wield unlimited power with their mind alone, putting them at the level of Mystopotence (or as its actually called "Almighty Magic") basically having different types of power (mind vs magic) but having the same amount as each other (unlimited).

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    • Why don't you just compare them at their basic and Absoute level?

                                      Psionics Vs Magic

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                       Absolute Psionic Power vs Almighty Magic

      The answer is Obvious now, I think.

      "That's not possible"
      "Sure it is chéri, it's magic"

      Nobody says that about Psionic no matter what level its at.

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    • Not all magic is reliant upon external sources some users possess inherent internal magic and even if this wasn’t the case psionics have a crutch like this as well. In series I have seen that focus on Psionic powers their ability can reside fully in their genes. As such they can be cured usually by people that see their abilities as abnormal.

      So just like people have loved to point out how magic users may be affected by access to external sources of magic, Psionic users may be affected by removing/suppression of genes that make them psionics.

      So with that being said I still say pretty much what a lot of people have already said. Magic is definitely more versatile. If we compare both at low levels magic clearly outclasses Psionics in versatility. However as a Psionic user gets stronger they will be able to do more then your common ESP abilities. I will say I definitely prefer magic so I may be a bit biased but still my thinking has always been that even base level magic abilities allow easy access to Psionic abilities and you can not say that statement in reverse and have it hold up.

      Sure at higher levels psionics start to look more impressive but then you look at higher levels of magic and you get this. It still seems pretty clear which one is superior.

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    • The Holder Of True Omnipotence wrote:
      Count Vlad III dracula wrote:
      magic, eventually, have much more capabilities.

      eventually, everything psionics can do, magic can do as well.

      if you also consider the fact that the highest level of psionics is absolute psionics manipulation, and for magic it's almighty magic, the diference is the gap between nigh-omnipotence and omnipotence.

      the point is that while magic might take more time to learn, and might be more complicated, and with enough inttelegence, expirience and creativity, you can achive nearly godhood with psionics, magic still have far more options, and magic can come both from you and form you'r surroundings, so you are not limited in temr of energy.

      You must not have heard of Psychopotence, its even stronger then Absolute Psionic Manipulation. A user of Psychopotence would literally wield unlimited power with their mind alone, putting them at the level of Mystopotence (or as its actually called "Almighty Magic") basically having different types of power (mind vs magic) but having the same amount as each other (unlimited).

      not really.

      Psychopotence is a variation of nigh-omnipotence, while almighty magic (mystopotence) is the magical variation of omnipotence.

      if to put it that way, let's say it that way:

      basic = Magic/Psionic Manipulation

      Advanced = Magic Transcendence/Omnikinesis

      High = Omni-Magic/Absolute Psionic Power

      Absolute = Mystopotence/Psychopotence

      basic goes for magic because it already contain inside of it psionics.

      Advanced would be dificult, but I would go with omnikinesis on that round.

      High would be as well difficult, but omni-magic beats it in this one.

      Almighty magic is omnipotence, which means it's infinetly bigger and stronger then psychopotence, which is marely nigh omnipotence.

      Easy.

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    • I;m thinking psyonics on the level were it's more logic manipulative than magic.

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    • I think the best way to answer this is Psionic Embodiment Vs Magic Embodiment


      Which at a glance it would appear that Magic Embodiment would indeed roflstomp.

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    • Joseph Tolbert wrote:
      I;m thinking psyonics on the level were it's more logic manipulative than magic.

      almighty magic, or mystopotence, contain in it metapotence, which is the absolute and infinite form of logic manipulation.

      on the other hand, even absolute psionics and psychopotence does not have logic manipulation in them.

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    • Count Vlad III dracula wrote:
      Joseph Tolbert wrote:
      I;m thinking psyonics on the level were it's more logic manipulative than magic.
      almighty magic, or mystopotence, contain in it metapotence, which is the absolute and infinite form of logic manipulation.

      on the other hand, even absolute psionics and psychopotence does not have logic manipulation in them.

      Interestingly though, would this itself not be true?


      Mystopotence < Mystic Derivation < Magic Embodiment < Meta-Magic < Science-Magic Ascendency

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    • TheVoidWalker69 wrote:
      Count Vlad III dracula wrote:
      Joseph Tolbert wrote:
      I;m thinking psyonics on the level were it's more logic manipulative than magic.
      almighty magic, or mystopotence, contain in it metapotence, which is the absolute and infinite form of logic manipulation.

      on the other hand, even absolute psionics and psychopotence does not have logic manipulation in them.

      Interestingly though, would this itself not be true?


      Mystopotence < Mystic Derivation < Magic Embodiment < Meta-Magic < Science-Magic Ascendency

      not really, for varius of reasons:

      1. science magic-ascendency does not consider, as it is to manipulate what lays beyond both magic and science, so it's like saying that a combination between almighty magic and almighty science would be stronger then almighty magic. it's correct, that in level, it's higher (theoreticly), but it have nothing to do with the subject.

      2. meta-magic is another name for magic transcendence, which is below omni-magic and divine magic, let along omnipotence (almighty magic). it's the ability to manipulate magical forces and the laws of magic, but it's not a level of magic such as omni-magic, or divine magic, or almighty magic.

      3. almighty magic is the highest form of magic. there is no doubt about it. on the other hand, Mystic derivation is less a form of magic, and more the state of being which in it you are the conductor of all magic in your verse, and driving the essence of magic. as such, a person which is the user of this power posses abilities which would supposdly include in it almighty magic. but from any other prespective, almighty magic is still stronger. sure, a user of this ability would be able, in theory, to have acces to an almighty level of magic, but it's not the magic on his own. am I being clear, or am I messy with my writing? I am not sure.

      4. Magic embodiment is the same as mystic derivation, just on a deeper scale. A user of magic embodiment is not just the force that drives magic into action, it is magic itself. as such, it is planly obviuse that a user of this power, as MAGIC itself, would have access to all of the variations of himself.


      When you look at the diferent forms of magic, almighty magic reins supreme.

      but when you look at abilities which embody or drive this force called magic, it is abviuse they would technically be higher then him in rank, and would have access to it.

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    • I think both have their strengths and weaknesses. As far as Im concerned its a choice of quality (Psionics) over quantity (Magic). Lets look at both sides when narrowed down to their bare bones.

      With Magic, you can basically give yourself whatever power you want with enough studying and practice. The thing is, whatever effect you get with each spell is more or less limited to that effect. Example: if you only know a spell that let you summon a force field, would you be able to use the same way as Invisible Woman.

      Psionics on the other hand do have powers that can be used with imagination and capacity to evolve. This allows them get to a point where they could become forces of nature, without having to make deals. Only issue is that THEY traditionally have only one Power, with a weakness that a mage with an arsenal of spells good enough

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    • Scenario:

      A witch seals your magic and renders it unusable.

      You a psychic by biology can still force choke the bitch to death...

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    • Zxankou14 wrote:
      I think both have their strengths and weaknesses. As far as Im concerned its a choice of quality (Psionics) over quantity (Magic). Lets look at both sides when narrowed down to their bare bones.

      With Magic, you can basically give yourself whatever power you want with enough studying and practice. The thing is, whatever effect you get with each spell is more or less limited to that effect. Example: if you only know a spell that let you summon a force field, would you be able to use the same way as Invisible Woman.

      Psionics on the other hand do have powers that can be used with imagination and capacity to evolve. This allows them get to a point where they could become forces of nature, without having to make deals. Only issue is that THEY traditionally have only one Power, with a weakness that a mage with an arsenal of spells good enough

      I feel emotions and willpower also play a large part into magic.

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    • it's not exactly a situation of quality vs quantity, as magic is quality as well.

      The thing is, this si the quesiton:

      what is strong, psionics, or the power that have inside of it both psionics and other powers?

      what is stronger, the ability to manipulate matter with the mind, or to be able to rewrite the laws of magic and cosmos?

      what is stronger, the ability to warp reality with your thoughts, or the ability to use every magic in existance, to the point where you are practically nigh omnipotent?

      what is stronger, the ability to become nigh-omnipotent via your willpower and mind alone, or to become an omnipotent being via magic?

      no matter when, the levels of each cathegory is always going towards magic.

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    • what?

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    • If I could warp reality with my thoughts I'd warp it so I was omnipotent.

      So I both have psionics AND other powers! Hah!

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      • face palm*

      it seems you clearly have zero understanding of concepts such as omnipotence, nigh omnipotence, and others.

      reality warping can move from basic things such as walking vartically on walls, to breaking down the laws of reason and logic and preforming the immposible.

      absolute psionics is a power that gives you even the ability to not just move objects and manipulate mater, but also to manipulate time and space, and some of the laws of physics.

      psychopotence gives you nigh-omnipotence, simply with yoiur thoughts.

      with that, you can practically take entire universes and multiverses down on a whim, create and eraze universes and time lines, and preforming the immposible.

      but this is where it ends of the psionics.

      on the other hand, the basic level of magic posses psionics.

      while psionics on it's second level can manipulate even matter, the second level of magic can rewrite all laws of magic and even logic itself, preforming the immposible.

      while in the third level of psionics, the user can actually manipulate time and space, and force his will upon other things (on a scale which would usually be planetary-), the third level of magic allowas you to posses ALL forms of magic, and by that posses essentially nearly every power in existance (as to nearly all powers there is a magical counterpart), and to manipulate the laws of reason, logic and causality, making you practically invincible.

      the final level of psionics barely scratch the powers of the third level of magic, while the final level of magic is full blown omnipotence.

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    • guess what?

      i'm on neither side.

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    • i'm not "jealous of magic's infinite power" or anything like that, I feel that both are unparalleled  in comparison to the powers I wanna have.

      feel free to denounce me from the equation! i'm not psionic, i'm not magical, I'm smply what I wanna be, okay.

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    • what I tried to put is the fact that from your previuse comment, it seemed like you seriusly have no clue about those powers, and the meaning of reality warping, nigh-omnipotence, and omnipotence.

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    • Yeah, yeah... even though the "power levels" of Psionics and Magic are not OBJECTIVE, they're SUBJECTIVE, so anybody could view it differently.Also its' too boring to understand the difference

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    • how exactly are they subjective?

      you can't argue that the lower and most basic level of each of them is magic and psionics, that's kind of the basic here, and that the highest levels are mystopotence (almighty magic) and psychopotence.

      you can't argue with the defenition of reality warping, nigh omnipotence, and omnipotence.

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    • hmmm... well, it all bows down to one thing:

      magic may better, but what if anti-magic comes along and strips that user of their magic?

      also does psionics have anti-psionics?

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    • ehh... I could care less for either side.

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    • by  that I meant I really do not wanna have either of them!

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    • Also, Almighty Magic cannot be efffected by Magic Destruction and Anti-Magic.

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    • is there almighty psionics?

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    • why wouldn't you like either of them, considering the power they can give, and why the hell did you even got into this argument in that case?

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    • as I said earlier, the highest form of psionics is Psychopotence, which is only Nigh-Omnipotence.

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    • at first I joined this argument [was on psionics side], then you had some points, then a kind of conflict inside me happened whereI did not know which side to join [psionics because of nostalgia or magic because of omnipotence?] then it blew out of proortion and I decided to quit!

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    • ok, so quite.

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    • quite what?

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    • you said you want to quite the argument.

      so, quite the argument.

      easy as that.

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    • quitting

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    • ok

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    • Psychic ability is just fun to use if you know how the universe works. If your power as a psychic is just to move around things. For example with telekinesis, you can basically move 'things' that you know that are there, if you're powerful or concentrate enough, you could move things piece by piece, molecule by molecule, particle by particle. If you can do that, you're capabilities become endless, as long as it follow the law of physics (which by the way I'm still dumb at). Lets say, you vibrate the molecules on a single point just to create either electricty or a fire. Psychic is just for me a direct control of reality whilst magic is the indirect alteration of reality, bending it to their will. 

      Magic can do alot of stuff like instant teleportation. All the magician has to do is properly cast the teleportation spell, while psychics who can has the ability to teleport needs to do some complex calculations in order so safely teleport from point a to b without hitting a wall or accidentally teleporting into a foreign object that might ruin your teleportation.

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    • Does the power of nonexistence over rule Psychopotence, Anti-Psychic Presence, Almighty Science, Omnipotence, Anti-Magic and Almighty Magic?

      So say I could have a guy be able to negate anything and everything?

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    • not really.

      it's an omnipotent force.

      so yeah, it could negate psychopotence, as it is only nigh-omnipotence, and anti psychic presence isn't all that much of a "powerful" ability, anti magic is the same, but omnipotence is omnipotence, and have the full fledge plot armor of omnipotence, and almighty science and magic are both forms of omnipotence.

      they ar eon the same level as nonexistance, so it won't work on them, and they are omnipotence in general, so fighting them is futile.

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    • Oh, so then who would win if there was a free for all battle with beings who's (or have the power of) omnipotent, almighty science, and almighty magic? I didn't include psychopotence  because it is just below omnipotence level like you said, so anyone with greater power than them could wipe the floor with them...

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    • omnipotent.

      you see, the difference between omnipotence and nigh-omnipotence is not really a matter of power, rather a matter of status.

      someone can have an unlimited control over reality, like what the reality stone in marvel comics gives you, to have an infinite power, yet you would still be considered NIGH-omnipotent.

      basically the reason why those powers defeat powers who are seemingly omnipotent are the status.

      in other words, plot armor.

      there is no actual difference between physical godhood and almighty science.

      in fact, most people thinks that doctor mannhaten, who is a user of physical godhood, is omnipotent, even though he is only NIGH-omnipotent.

      the real difference that would be between a user of physical godhood and almighty science would be the status.

      in other words, level.

      they are both, in a sense, the same thing.

      it's just that  one of them is omnipotent.

      one of them have the omnipotent plot armor, that makes him immediatelly infinitly stronger then the other.

      there is no actual limit to a high user of nigh-omnipotence.

      the only limit is someone who is on a different class of nigh-omnipotence.

      and it goes so forth, on and on, until you reach omnipotence.

      eventually, by name, omnipotence is a class of it's own.

      the only thing nigh-omnipotence of the highest calibar can't do that omnipotence can do is to defeat nigh-omnipotence of such a level.



      if that's confusing, then sorry if I'm not explaining it good enough.

      but basically, as variations of omnipotence, almighty magic and almighty science are the highest forms of magic and science manipulation.

      as such, they don't simply have the unlimited power that omni magic and physical godhood, but they also have the unbeatable plot armor and status of omnipotece, making them invincible.

      BUT, since they are just VARIATIONS, and not the real thing, the plot armor of omnipotence is stronger.

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    • again, sorry if it's worded weird, and if I didn't explained it properly, but basically, the only thing good in omnipotence is the fact that it's have the shittiest plot armor there is.

      basically, you know a character is omnipotent because the author said this character is omnipotent, meaning the author gave this character unlimited power in her verse, PLUS the fact that she have special protaction from anything possible by the author himself.

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    • Oh, so the winner would be who ever out ranks the others in both authority and rank even though thet may have the exact same power level with exactly the same powers known as the others, or even less? So what happens if there are two or more beings of the same authority level and rank, who wins then?



      Did I read and understand correctly?

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    • well, here is the thing:

      we usually cathegorize it with levels, in which omnipotent is the highest level, nigh omnipotent is the one below, and so forth.

      if we take magic and psionics on each one of those levels, and assume the user have the same level of stamina and energy, we would reach to the inavoidable conclusion that psionics would narrow the user's capabilities into a very spesific form, while magic can come in so many ways and variations, and have unlimited possibilities of action.

      more over, magic is msotly based on emotion, while psionics need you to think carefully with everything you do.

      or else, you won't be able to properlly fight.

      for example, let's say a user of psionics and a magician fights, and each one of them is throwing a fire ball at the other.

      the user of psionics would need to heat up the air by moving the molecules faster and faster, while also shaping it with telekinesis, and after gathering the heat, he would need to somehow light it up, and make the fire sustainable.

      a magician would jsut create a fucking fire ball and throw it.

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    • I'm now somewhat confused with your categorization.........is omnipotent, nigh omnipotent, etc., rank, authority level or power level? Or neither of them and is something defined differently?

      Well wouldn't that depend on what the psionic user has learnt/obtained compared to what a magic user has learnt prior their 1v1 battle? If the psionic user only has mastered telekinesis, then that is all they will be able to use against the magic user who, say only has mastered teleportation....

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    • well, they are more of a power level ranks.

      nigh omnipotent is a level of power, while omnipotence is actually more of a state of being.

      to put it simply, everything which is regarded as an omnipotent power is immediatelly above everything else, and there is no way to overcome it.

      that's a definition of this state.

      nigh omnipotence is basically everything from simple reality warping to the point you are seemingly omnipotent.



      as of the psionics vs magic, still, the point I made is the same:

      if a user of psionic is fighting against a magician, and both of them are using the same ability, for example, shooting a fire ball, the process of the creation of the attack in psionics is far more difficult and complex then in magic.

      if we would say both have teleportation, then the user of psionics would need to regard the way he teleport, is it by moving his particles, is it by warping space, etc, while the magician would jsut disappear and reappear in an instant, jut by snaping his fingers or something.

      if it's about telekinesis, it's still holds the same weight, because using psionics limits you to the realm of physics, while magic exists on the metaphysical realm.

      basically, if you are a user of psionics, and you are using telekinesis, you need to regard the laws of motions and thermodynamics, the laws of neuton, nuclear physics (if you manipulate sub atomic particles) and more, and for each action you make, there would be so many different effects you must consider before each action, or else you might tear appart the entire battle field.

      while, with magic, on the other hand, you could jsut use telekinesis, and everything would be fine.

      becuase magic does not obey the laws of physics, it exists above them.

      when you see in many sci-fi stories someone using psionics to do such a thing, and it all works out fine, that's just because of lazy writing and lack of understanding.

      when a character is using magic, however, that's because it's the nature of the concept.



      if we would compare the two while they both use the same ability, for example, telekinesis, or fire manipulation, but each one in his own way, then we are going to end up with the magician winning, because his way is way simplier, and can achive results the other one can't achive.

      if you are going to let each one of them to use a different ability, then yeah, sure, the psionics one can win, if it's a situation in which the psionics one is a well trained psychic who can use telekinesis to manipulate sub atomic particles and can warp reality, while the magician jsut foudn out he is a magician, and doesn't know anything but summoning one fire ball, throwing it on the enemy, and then passing out from exhaustion.

      then, yeah, he would win.

      but if we are speaking about an even ground, then the magician would win.

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    • let it be so, baby! even though, if I were a psionic, I wouldn't caare about my lack of training and I would try to wreck everything to tire the magician, even though it's worthless because magic and yadda-yadda-yadda.

      while magic is more powerful, i dislike it more due to it explaining every sensible plot point away with just magic.

      flying horses? magic! instantly travelling? magic! see? while magic is more powerful, it explains away everything. that's just my opinion.

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    • though i do understand that magic would be more powerful.

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    • which is exactly the point of magic.

      magic was never meant to be delicated, or interesting.

      magic is the simple explanation for every plot hole.

      that's the litteral definition of magic:

      the cause for everything which is supernatural in it's core.

      meaning, if you can't explain it, it's magic.

      that's the whole point.

      that's why if a user of psionics would try to create a fire ball, he would need to work a lot for that, while the magician would just create it.

      because science needs explanations and back up.

      magic IS the explanation.

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    • okay.

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    • Ooooh....

      Is there a movie or TV series, or anything media related(except books and comics and all those because I don't read all that much...hah! :P) that have all this correctly done (and or explained well to the audience how/why it happens just to reinforce that the characters or the story writers in this case actually aren't dumb and know how it works and stuff? hahaha)or none so far that are practical or even remotely realistic relative to their powers, whether it be magic, psionics or other strange powers that are neither magic or psionic?

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    • most people doesn't actually get it right.

      but most people TRY to make psionics being "scientifical" as much as they can.

      I can't think right now about any spesific example, but yeah, most of the time tey try to include in it the whole "you need to train" thing, and about the dangers in it, and how it's not some sort of a magic.

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    • Technically speaking, Psionics is Magic when you really begin to think about it. The difference really is the system of methods for causing effects to occur. Magicians utilise Visual or Verbal Spell Languages to communicate with some supernatural mechanism and instruct it to produce specific effects. Psionic Users communicate with some supernatural mechanism using thoughts or imagination and instruct it to produce specific effects. At least, that is what i think.

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    • not really.

      that's the whole point.

      psionics involve natural forces, but natural forces we yet to find out about.

      magicians use supernatural resources, meaning, something above the nature, something we can't find out about.

      that's the entire meaning of the word supernatural.

      something above nature, unexplainable.

      remember Arthur C Clark's third law.

      psionics vs magic is like sci-fi vs fantasy.

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    • I'm a little confused since there need to be natural laws in place for a "supernatural" event to take place, but I suppose that somehow doesn't apply to fiction. Plus, a force is an interaction that causes nothing but acceleration (of matter, its size and direction related), but I guess that also doesn't apply to the supernatural aspects of fiction. Also, that does lead to one other confusion, since if it wasn't explainable despite being reproducible by people, meaning that a system of methods for reproducing supernatural events exists and is available for use, then... ah you know what, nevermind. 

      Anyway, unless Psionics is only able to accelerate objects or just outright manipulate probabilistic/vectorial/variable/systemic/property/physical information and not break energy conservation under any circumstance to do so or during so, i still assume that it is Magic. 

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    • as Arthur C clarke said:

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

      that's the basic principle in sci-fi.

      You use things who do not exist in our world, but are exlainable by science, one way or another, even if it's just a pseudo science.

      the difference is that in fantasy the explanation is magic, and that's it.

      in sci-fi, the explanation can be anything, as long as it have SOME connection to science.

      even when magic have systems, and classifications in fantasy, that still doens't change the fact that you never even bother to explain what magic is.

      the moment you do, it's sci-fi, not fantasy.

      psionics allow you, via you'r mind, to manipulate the laws of physics, at it highest degree, but nothing more then that.

      magic allow you to outright ignore them, at it's highest forms.

      psionics would find an explanation to what they are doing, which would have SOME anchoring in science, while magicians would just out right say that the only explanation is amgic.

      that is the simple difference.

      it you still don't understand it, then I'm sorry, but there is nothing I can do to try and explain it.

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    • I wouldn't say Psionic allows for physics control, but okay. Plus, it isn't that I didn't understand what you were trying to say, I understood it all, I was just puzzled when it was said that supernatural events were above nature, despite needing to follow some kind of natural law to take place (we can say that they are above the natural laws we know of, though, hence being "supernatural"). 

      Of course, if an explanation to magic was provided, then it isn't magic by its normal definition but is "magic" because the author decided to call it as such. The explanation would, of course, have to be scientific, but whether that refers to the standard model of physical interaction-like scientific is dependent on the nature of the scientific explanation provided. It's like with that one anime i watched, where Magic had some kind of scientific explanation to it, but it was still called magic.

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    • supernatural, by definition, is above the natural laws.

      if something is supernatural, then by definition, it's immposible to find it out, and decifer it.



      at it highest form, telekinesis obtained via psionics can give you the ability to manipulate quantom strings and foam, and by that manipulate physics.

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    • But... Ehehehe, Magic BEATS THAT BY A FACTOR OF 1 INFINITILLION!

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    • nah, magic beats it because there is litterally no reason why not, and psionics just have too many weaknesses and complications.

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    • Yeah. Why not!? 

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    • ok cool thanks for clearing it up! ☺


      Oh yeah, before I leave in peace, what do you think about Gods/angels and Devils/darkangels(Im guessing would be the evil counterpart of angels?) ? If they had a fight, who would win? Or would that depend on the story writer's envisioning?


      Have you guys seen High School DxD? In that show, apparently God was defeated and killed off by the great devil(s)(Or someone else I cant remember now it's been a while....but supposedly someone said Spawn might have killed god....) in the great wars(or divine wars I forgot what it was called) and the only one keeping heaven together now is archangel Michael.....

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    • no problem.

      and yes, it depends on the writer.

      going by abrahamic tradition, angels would always defeat fallen angel's/devils, or demons, and god would always defeat satan.

      in modern pop-culture, however, with the romantisation of the demons and stuff, which is a process started with the book paradise lost, things started to change a bit.

      now it's kind of a 50/50 chance, depands on the writer and his view of religion.

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    • ahh cool ok thanks! ☺

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    • no prob

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